is it a philosophy, a religion, a way of life. >> to be a master, you've got to study with a master and then he says, tag, you're it. >> jon: it's really not an accredititied situation. how do you know he's a master. does he say i'm the zen master and you're like, all right. >> he's got. i'll tell you how i know. >> jon: okay. >> i'm going to make you a zen master now and perhaps you can do this on your moment of zen. >> jon: i'd like that. >> okay. >> jon: am i going to have to walk across coals or anything? or am i cool? >> it's very simple. are you ready? stay right where you are. hua! boom man. >> jon: that's it? >> now you are done. [cheers and applause] now, we can continue although mine has a brownish tint to it. what does that mean a brownnose. i don't know i'm brown nosing. we can continue the interview. >> jon: all right. so that's all it takes. >> to see if -- >> jon: i'm a zen master i'm patch adams. what did you -- [ laughter ] >> bernie is also a clown. >> jon: he is a clun? >> he is a clown, a zen master. >> jon: sounds lost to me. >> no, man. no. >> jon: he's found? >> h